时间：2004年2月29日19:00-21:00

演讲人：
Ian Graham，对象技术大师，SOMA方法（Semantic Object Modelling Approach）的作者。他和Brian Henderson-Sellers创立的OPEN协会（Object-oriented Process, Environment, and Notation）在90年代中期曾经是OMG/UML的对抗者，并提出竞争方案：开放式建模语言（Open Modeling Language (OML)） 。 近来他主要关注web可用性。他的《面向对象方法原理与实践》（第3版有中译本）以及“Migrating To Object Technology”（未有中译本）是面向对象领域的经典名著之一。
Ian Graham目前是TriReme International Ltd的董事，TriReme为客户提供定制的UML培训服务。（Ian Graham is a Director of TriReme International Ltd, providing customized UML training by acknowledged experts）
Ian Graham非常喜爱中国文化，修习中国武术已经超过30年，精通白眉、太极、少林、咏春等门派的武功。

幻灯下载：
*Requirements Engineeringwith UML

声音记录（和文字记录是互补的，不是重复）：
*网盘下载(100M)
*ed2k下载(100M)

文字记录：

(18:32:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:hello. professor
(18:32:42)*IanGraham与*lovelypp说:Ni hao
(18:32:46)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm下载相关讲座材料
(18:33:36)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:Ian Graham，对象技术大师，SOMA方法（Semantic Object Modelling Approach）的作者。他和Brian Henderson-Sellers创立的
(18:34:08)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:创立的OPEN协会（Object-oriented Process, Environment, and Notation）在90年代中期曾经是OMG/UML的对抗者，并提出竞争方案：开放式建模语言
(18:34:19)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:（Open Modeling Language (OML)） 。 近来他主要关注web可用性。他的《面向对象方法原理与实践》（第3版有中译本）
(18:34:22)*Umlchina2与*IanGraham说:Welcome,professor. If there is anything wrong, you can turn to me for help.
(18:35:11)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:以及“Migrating To Object Technology”（未有中译本）是面向对象领域的经典名著之一。
(18:35:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:Ian Graham非常喜爱中国文化，修习中国武术已经超过30年，精通白眉、太极、少林、咏春等门派的武功。
(18:36:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm下载相关讲座材料
(18:36:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:嘉宾yahoo id：ian_grahams
(18:36:44)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:添加直接看视频
(18:37:27)*flysailer与所有人说:sorry 没麦
(18:51:40)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:hi，你好
(18:51:44)*IanGraham与所有人说:Somehome Yahoo has disabled my webcam
(18:51:53)*Umlchina2与*IanGraham说:Yes
(18:51:58)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:unplug it and plug again
(18:52:00)*IanGraham与所有人说:We will have to go ahead without it
(18:52:02)delson与所有人说:Hello,Ian,so nice to hear u
(18:52:12)*Umlchina2与*IanGraham说:The voice is ok now
(18:52:16)*lovelypp对*IanGraham点了点头:哈哈
(18:52:18)*IanGraham与所有人说:I've tried unplugging from USB no effect
(18:52:37)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:oh, maybe it need a restart
(18:52:37)delson与所有人说:yeah
(18:52:39)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:I can hear you
(18:52:41)*ron2k与所有人说:I can hear you
(18:52:45)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:yes! we can
(18:53:06)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:but we can't see you
(18:53:17)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:of course. you can not hear us--because you are the only speaker
(18:53:40)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:your sound is too low,
(18:53:53)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:can you speak louder and slower?
(18:54:07)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:thanks!
(18:54:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:professor, please move the mic very very close to your lips
(18:54:57)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:started?
(18:54:58)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:you can start msn to connect webcam
(18:55:17)*Umlchina2与*IanGraham说:Much alouder now
(18:55:39)edge与*IanGraham说:the sound is not very clear
(18:55:44)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:ye
(18:56:10)delson与所有人说:some gaps in it,maybe because of the net
(18:56:30)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:maybe professor, you will use keyboard to touch with us
(18:57:02)*lijinie与所有人说:i can't see your video
(18:57:08)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:I can not hear your speaking clearly
(18:57:44)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:it halt sometimes
(18:57:53)*lijinie与*IanGraham说:i can't see your video
(18:58:08)edge与所有人说:how can i watch the video
(18:58:09)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:ok, what 's the topic today
(18:58:14)*ron2k与所有人说:The voice is breaking somehow.
(18:59:19)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家稍等一下
(18:59:22)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:there must be a translater
(18:59:55)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:oh, because of my poor English
(19:00:21)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:It's time!
(19:00:30)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:yes
(19:00:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:yes!
(19:00:39)*ron2k与所有人说:Yes
(19:00:41)*Umlchina2与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Yes voice is good )
(19:00:44)*lijinie与[*umlchina_seminar]说:专家的视频没打开么？
(19:00:53)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:开始，大家欢迎
(19:01:04)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:let's begin?
(19:01:12)*lijinie与所有人说:welcome
(19:01:13)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:there are breaks when you are speaking, professor
(19:01:22)freewind与所有人说:welcome
(19:01:31)*lijinie与所有人说:the voice is not good
(19:01:51)edge与所有人说:begin?
(19:02:01)*Umlchina2与[*umlchina_seminar]说:prof )
(19:02:05)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:breaks puls poor English, my god
(19:02:07)*IanGraham与所有人说:IU think that we can't do anything about the sound
(19:02:14)*lijinie与所有人说:please shut off my micphone
(19:03:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:大家请稍等一下
(19:03:49)delson与所有人说:enn?
(19:04:29)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:object technology is a wide topic, do you think so, professor?
(19:05:13)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:sorry, i can not hear clearly
(19:05:21)freewind与所有人说:me2
(19:05:22)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:can any one translate it?
(19:05:39)*mountainwang与所有人说:听不见，要不然我可以翻译
(19:05:50)*mountainwang与所有人说:声音很模糊
(19:05:53)caff与[*umlchina_seminar]说:请问哪儿有今天讲座的资料下载? )
(19:05:54)VictorCox与所有人说:yes a bit better
(19:06:05)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:可以翻译一下吗?
(19:07:03)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家等一下，马上改进声音
(19:07:33)*lijinie与所有人说:last voice is very clear
(19:08:02)tiang与所有人说:better
(19:08:18)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:I think the chat component has problem
(19:08:19)*ron2k与所有人说:Yes, possible, now is better
(19:08:35)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:it compressed the sound too much
(19:08:43)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:losely
(19:08:47)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家等一下，正在改进声音
(19:10:22)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:In my project, i find that UML is used only for communication,
(19:10:45)tiang与所有人说:ok.it's better!
(19:10:50)freewind与所有人说:hehe , better
(19:11:01)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:yes, much better
(19:11:01)*lijinie与[*umlchina_seminar]说:why not let langraham keep holding the mic
(19:11:17)痴情焊匪与所有人说:你们好！
(19:11:29)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:it seems very difficult to use it when coding
(19:11:44)*lijinie与[*umlchina_seminar]说:forbidden other person's right to speak,that could be better
(19:11:48)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:what's our problem, professor?
(19:12:43)freewind与所有人说:Professor, I want to ask sth about the Robustness Diagram
(19:12:55)freewind与所有人说:1) What's you oipnion abt the Robustness Diagram which Jacobson proposed in the Objectory process.
(19:13:06)*IanGraham与所有人说:Robustness Diagram?
(19:13:07)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:I am anxious, i can not hear you clearly
(19:13:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家再等一下
(19:13:31)freewind与所有人说:yes, which proposed by Jacobson and developed in ICONIX process
(19:14:35)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:how to adapt UML to fit a small(even little) project
(19:14:47)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:ex. 10 stuff-year project
(19:15:50)*lovelypp与*Umlchina2说:is there any alternative in such small project?
(19:15:54)*IanGraham与所有人说:staff-year I think
(19:16:07)delson与所有人说:Ian怎么老掉话筒呢
(19:17:27)*cexiong_2003与所有人说:I'm afraid I can't hear the voice clearly and continueously , what about others?
(19:17:36)delson与所有人说:Can we start it with today's topic,without questions now.
(19:17:49)*zhysir与所有人说:i cann't hear yet
(19:18:05)*cexiong_2003与所有人说:i can't either
(19:18:14)*umlbliao与所有人说:i can't,too
(19:18:22)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:there is a paper said code is designing, do you think so, IanGraham?
(19:18:37)*mountainwang与所有人说:他没说话当然听不见
(19:18:38)wilson与所有人说:i can hear something，but not so fluent
(19:19:08)freewind与所有人说:really? what abt a big project without diagram?
(19:20:10)*cexiong_2003与所有人说:what'a pity that i can't hear it fluently
(19:20:17)wilson与所有人说:why not write a subtopic sentence
(19:20:27)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:声音马上就好，大家再等一下
(19:20:33)freewind与所有人说:Can you say sth about MDA, Professor
(19:21:22)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:can you please say something about use case tools?
(19:21:59)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:but the code generated by the case tools maybe ineffective?
(19:22:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:tool which be used to write use case document
(19:23:31)freewind与所有人说:sorry,I can't heard very clearly, you mean MDA may be popular in the future?
(19:23:43)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:ok, do you think Excutable Modal will take place of programming languages?
(19:23:52)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:in the future?
(19:23:58)freewind与所有人说:or now?
(19:24:08)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:or it just a concept ?
(19:24:11)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:声音马上就好，大家再等一下
(19:24:13)*mountainwang与所有人说:there's so many materials and seminar on MDA these days,but how exactly to put it into practice?
(19:24:14)VictorCox与所有人说:Could everyone please click the microphone icon on the right corner of the window?
(19:24:17)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:听见了
(19:24:36)*mountainwang与所有人说:or is that only a theoretic field now?
(19:24:53)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:OK! we begin the presentation now.
(19:25:44)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:page number 3
(19:25:45)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:page 3 now
(19:25:59)wilson与delson说:which book?
(19:26:02)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:大家看幻灯，开始了
(19:26:18)*IanGraham与所有人说:not book - slides!
(19:26:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm下载相关讲座材料
(19:26:37)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:好 )
(19:26:49)delson与wilson说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm
(19:26:59)delson与wilson说:幻灯
(19:27:01)wilson与delson说:thanks
(19:27:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:p.4
(19:27:58)*lijinie与所有人说:voiceofIan: please move your mouth a little way from the mic,that could make your voice clearer
(19:28:57)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:p.6
(19:29:50)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:p.7
(19:31:01)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:I have a question
(19:31:22)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:what 's the difference between composition and aggregration
(19:38:00)*lovelypp与*IanGraham说:maybe you speak too fast
(19:38:04)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:some association, we can use "link", we can use "aggregration" too, how to distinguish them.
(19:38:07)*ron2k与所有人说:aggresion symbol is not avab in use case tools like rose
(19:39:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Can you please compare the concept of "use case" between RUP and cockburn
(19:39:56)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家等一下
(19:40:47)VoiceOfIan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Professor走开了 等一会 )
(19:43:49)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:voice ok now
(19:46:58)*lijinie与所有人说:which page now?
(19:47:56)*ron2k与所有人说:exception handler is an extended use case?
(19:49:45)*ron2k与所有人说:You mean use message instead of extend?
(19:50:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Can we apply use case to your WU study?
(19:50:44)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:Never use extend :)
(19:51:20)*ron2k与所有人说:Is message you just said defined in UML?
(19:52:06)*ron2k与所有人说:steortype
(19:52:19)freewind与所有人说:stereotype
(19:52:20)*ron2k与所有人说:yes
(19:52:54)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:p6
(19:53:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:UP said : use-case-driven, Kent Beck say test-driven now. what is your point?
(19:55:25)*ron2k与所有人说:You mean test-driven approach needs smarter programmer than UP
(19:56:45)*outmyth与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ok,my network has kind of problem,
(19:57:22)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:Then you prefer use case driven
(19:57:29)*outmyth与[*umlchina_seminar]说:i cannot catch expert
(19:58:09)*ron2k与所有人说:There are many kinds of use cases, like bussiness, technical. Could you tell me the difference?
(19:58:33)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:thanks
(20:00:08)*ron2k与所有人说:What's the book you mentioned?
(20:00:10)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Where are use cases from--Can you please tell us some good skill?
(20:01:26)*ron2k与所有人说:So does our customer only need to check the business use cases?
(20:02:57)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:How is the importance of stakeholder's interest in use case?
(20:03:04)freewind与所有人说:but our customer think use case is difficult for them to understand
(20:03:45)*outmyth与VoiceOfIan说:could u give us a good idea on improve the productivity of communication
(20:04:45)freewind与所有人说:They may reject to read documents abt use case.
(20:04:47)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:How can we have the stakeholders validate our use case--they would not read any use case text!
(20:05:08)freewind与所有人说:specially the officials
(20:06:43)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:p2
(20:08:18)*ron2k与所有人说:What kind of use case the requirements specifications should include?
(20:08:54)*ron2k与所有人说:I am sorry? You mean none of them?
(20:11:17)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:A pattern language for Web Usability
(20:11:27)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:Voice is OK
(20:12:04)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:We are ready now
(20:12:22)freewind与所有人说:good Chinese
(20:12:32)freewind与所有人说:;)
(20:12:37)*ron2k与所有人说::)
(20:12:40)edge与所有人说:fine
(20:13:12)freewind与所有人说:你好
(20:13:33)*ron2k与所有人说:Yes, WU is a chinese word.
(20:13:43)VoiceOfIan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:为什么前面还没讲完就开始这个？ )
(20:13:56)wilson与VoiceOfIan说:上海
(20:14:00)freewind与所有人说:you are right
(20:15:26)VoiceOfIan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:专家没有说话 不是声音问题 )
(20:15:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Can you please compare Open Modeling Language and UML?
(20:15:44)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:请大家继续问问题
(20:16:02)*spring_amy与delson说:hi
(20:16:06)*lijinie与所有人说:when should we begin to think pattern in design process
(20:16:35)*spring_amy与delson说:so fast
(20:17:21)*snow@dream与所有人说:what's difference between software architecture and design pattern?
(20:18:34)*snow@dream与所有人说:so how about framework
(20:19:49)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Could you tell us when to consider architecture during the development process
(20:20:06)*outmyth与所有人说:how to make certain framework on the proper level of abstraction
(20:21:22)*spring_amy与delson说:what is meaning
(20:22:09)*snow@dream与所有人说:Is the platform considered to during architecture construction?
(20:22:55)*spring_amy与delson说:thanks
(20:23:04)*outmyth与所有人说:thinks
(20:23:13)freewind与所有人说:Then architecture can be independent to the implementation techniques?
(20:24:06)*outmyth与VoiceOfIan说:could u give some advises on evaluting one framework
(20:24:07)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:How to jump from use-case to class, any good skills?
(20:24:42)*outmyth与VoiceOfIan说:sorry?
(20:25:08)*outmyth与VoiceOfIan说:some critia
(20:25:09)*ron2k与所有人说:是不是问.NET和J2EE的区别
(20:25:49)*outmyth与VoiceOfIan说:i means some framework on struts,xdoclect,spring
(20:26:10)*snow@dream与所有人说:Is better to consider architecure firstly and then decide framework - J2ee or .net?
(20:27:04)VoiceOfIan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:break for 3min )
(20:27:09)VoiceOfIan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:call back )
(20:27:19)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:休息2分钟
(20:27:35)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:大家休息2分钟
(20:27:43)*IanGraham与所有人说:How to jump from use-case to class. Look at slide 14
(20:28:32)*IanGraham与所有人说:and slide 15
(20:28:48)*IanGraham与所有人说:When sound comes back, I will explain
(20:28:52)[*umlchina_seminar]与*IanGraham说:thank you
(20:28:54)freewind与所有人说:ok
(20:32:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:继续开始
(20:32:25)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:page 14
(20:34:28)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:clue of classes in the words of the post condition
(20:36:15)VoiceOfIan与所有人说:pre and post, and also in action
(20:36:20)freewind与所有人说:The class here is business classes such as book and member?
(20:37:31)freewind与所有人说:thank u
(20:37:41)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Martin fowler talked something about MDA
(20:37:50)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:http://martinfowler.com/bliki/ModelDrivenArchitecture.html
(20:38:07)*IanGraham与所有人说:www.trireme.com
(20:38:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:what is your point
(20:39:49)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:ow to distribute use case to packages if there are many use cases
(20:40:57)*mountainwang与*lijinie说:how to analyse a legacy system which developed by non-object language with UML?
(20:41:08)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:how to analyse a legacy system which developed by non-object language with UML?
(20:42:42)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thanks
(20:42:52)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:i am working on such a project
(20:42:55)freewind与所有人说:Could you pls tell us the progress of QVT now?
(20:43:03)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:but it made me very headache
(20:43:20)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:How to apply OO design to C or ASM language, can you please recommend some material?
(20:43:29)freewind与所有人说:when will finish? ;)
(20:44:18)freewind与所有人说:sorry, I mean QVT
(20:44:24)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:ok! 15 minutes later
(20:44:56)freewind与所有人说:What do you think the position of QVT in MDA, is it part of MOF
(20:45:01)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:can we say there is a core set of uml diagrams that you have to draw?
(20:45:54)*snow@dream与所有人说:what're features of good architecture?
(20:46:57)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thanks
(20:47:38)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:is there a suggested best practice about the squence of draw differnct diagram?
(20:48:30)mikechen与所有人说:I feel uml is good for static structure,but not good for behavior
(20:48:48)*ron2k与所有人说:Is there any book decribing WU language?
(20:49:53)[*umlchina_seminar]与*ron2k说:http://wupatterns.com/
(20:50:06)freewind与所有人说:What's your opinion abt AOP, Professor
(20:50:19)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Tell us something about you and Chinese culture...?
(20:50:21)*ron2k与所有人说:Thanks
(20:50:29)freewind与所有人说:Aspect Oriented Programming
(20:50:36)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:yes, aspect
(20:51:29)freewind与所有人说:Which Gongfu?
(20:52:28)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:Could you tell us how do you learn Gongfu in your life?
(20:52:35)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:when we got the analysis class achitecture, it seems like not very useful to draw sequece this time
(20:53:31)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:do you use chopsticks at home?
(20:54:13)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:but actualy in this time,it does not help us to find the real object responsbilities
(20:54:39)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:which document is absolutely necessarily in software development?
(20:55:14)*ron2k与所有人说:Is the WU language platform independent? I mean coule I ues it in .NET?
(20:55:46)freewind与所有人说:;)
(20:55:52)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:haha
(20:56:47)*ron2k与所有人说:thanks.
(20:56:50)freewind与所有人说:what abt the second important document in software development?
(20:57:05)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:at which point, can we say we got enough diagrams,lets stop analyse
(20:58:06)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:Excuse me professor, in slide 12, I'm not very clear that the ucs in--
(20:58:35)*ron2k与所有人说:I find it is difficult to use UML in .NET, like arributes, delegate, Dataset. It is hard to model.
(20:58:38)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:the second and the third line, are they sub-uc, or just the steps
(21:00:48)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:OK, better and thanks
(21:01:35)freewind与所有人说:Thanks so much
(21:01:47)*IanGraham与所有人说:ian@trireme.com
(21:01:58)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:any question?
(21:02:06)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:How do you think the PEAA in Martin Fowler's new book?
(21:02:20)*IanGraham与所有人说:peaa?????
(21:02:21)*ron2k与*IanGraham说:Thank you very much for your wonderful presentations.
(21:02:36)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thank you
(21:02:45)freewind与所有人说:Xie Xie you
(21:02:45)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:very interesting
(21:02:52)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:you really made it very clear
(21:02:55)edge与*IanGraham说:thanks a lot!
(21:03:20)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:welcome to china another time
(21:03:29)wilson与VoiceOfIan说:http://www.umlchina.com
(21:03:30)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:we wish that we can listen to you again
(21:03:34)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:Thank you,and the talk is so interesting and rich
(21:03:50)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:could you give some suggestions in the end?
(21:04:41)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:i know what you mean
(21:05:08)VoiceOfIan与*IanGraham说:Yes those are important too
(21:05:20)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:it's like pratice kunfu, the essence is beyond kunfu
(21:06:07)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:yeah
(21:06:27)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:zaijian
(21:06:27)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:Yes, thank you. we can finish
(21:06:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与VoiceOfIan说:zai jian
(21:06:36)freewind与所有人说:zaijian
(21:06:40)*snow@dream与[*umlchina_seminar]说:good bye thank!
(21:06:47)edge与*IanGraham说:88
(21:06:52)mikechen与所有人说:thanks
(21:06:56)VictorCox与VoiceOfIan说:Cheers~bye bye~
(21:07:00)*snow@dream与[*umlchina_seminar]说:yes
(21:07:01)edge与*IanGraham说:yeah
(21:07:06)*lijinie与*IanGraham说:88
(21:07:15)*lskaaa666与所有人说:thanks.
(21:07:16)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thanks for your arrangement
(21:07:53)*mountainwang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:bye
(21:07:56)*snow@dream与[*umlchina_seminar]说:with white air
(21:07:57)*ron2k与[*umlchina_seminar]说:谢谢
(21:07:59)*snow@dream与[*umlchina_seminar]说:bye
(21:08:03)*anny_zgf与所有人说:thanks
(21:08:09)VictorCox与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Thanks~